DevReal: Zoran Jovanovic, Volvo: What OSPOs can teach us about OSS AI Governance!
Recording: DevReal: Zoran Jovanovic, Volvo: What OSPOs can teach us about OSS AI Governance!
uh hello everybody I'm here at open source Summit Europe with Zoran yanovich so he just gave a talk at the open Ai and data track about how AI governance is similar to open source governance in a few words zor how uh how we should we do that based on OSP experience so uh OS have a uh pretty like already mature uh way of uh organizing uh what the what open source is is about uh policies and uh processes and all that and the the way of Open Source program offices is well translatable into into other areas and that's how we can use it as a template to fill in with other types of governance and for example in uh in AI there are some very similar problems we need to solve you know how we start with the with the objectives how we start with the strategy how we go on to creating the the policies around what we need to do how we create processes that will help us actually Implement and uh reuse some of the technology that's behind AI yeah so you know I want kind of ask you to repeat the whole talk if it will be published but what I really like it's on YouTube I think it will be yeah so what I really liked about it right like you basically ask you know the question which senior Engineers ask why do you actually want to do this right like before you do stuff exactly these are the existential questions why are we here yes what is this what what do you actually want to achieve right by doing this so that that I really like by and and you know Opus also should do that so I wonder right so so you are at Volvo yes and Volvo car Volvo cars that's the Industrial company and so oh but there are also Volvo trucks and trucks we are we are just CS right right and so it's super interesting right like a applications in Industry going to change really our material life right I come from Silicon Valley we think it's all software it's not all software right we're surrounded material objects and cars are very important so how does do open source in you know industry in at Volvo how does it differ from Pure software concerns like PR experience how do you see and also EI right introduction of EI in this context in what sense like what do you mean like um in in modern times they don't defer at all so uh uh modern uh product companies modern object material product companies are very much alike uh modern software companies there's a lot of uh a lot of software in the in the products and everything evolves around functionalities enabled by uh by new software for example just just recently we've uh We've enabled over the year updates for the like the models that are from uh several years ago with new uh updated uh software infotainment for example like that no that's true but but you have a longer devel software Centric yeah software Centric but I think uh the uh the material objects themselves are developed longer right and longer shelf life longer shelf life right and probably Hardware you cannot update the embedded Hardware as often as you can right update whatever cloud service so so I mean there are some concerns plus you have the concerns of safety like if you mess up the thing you know security is really really important right so so I mean does it somehow and obviously you know you have diverse group of customers right you have Engineers probably in different kinds so how does it inform kind of the Osa work at 12 car like it's really difficult for me to answer this question because I don't see a lot of difference from uh what I used to work with uh with before and that's that's was one of the ideas uh with uh with me actually joining Volvo course is that we bring the uh something that is probably perceived as an old industry until like modern times and it has been done before I arrived so uh you know there's a lot of really smart people who' have been doing this uh for years now and it's uh it's progressing really well well yeah no this is great that's great to hear so that that it makes you know the world is more like software now it is so very much then the question is right so we have a bunch of developers who are really um obviously you know catching up with AI right and they worry they have all kinds of worries like they need to learn everything about copilot right everything about transformation and how does a how does it affect your work uh how do you like educate people how do you make developers learn or help them learn and U so we start from from ourselves basically it's we are the ones that need to be to get educated first right so there's a lot of uh collaboration uh with with the uh uh with the external parties with uh communities and universities Etc there's a lot of like uh seminars and uh like uh papers that need to be read and all that and we also help uh disseminate that uh that knowledge throughout the organization and so we have like uh chat groups we have like Community groups Community practices where uh where we discuss these things we are preparing a number of um um educational packages for uh engineers and uh everybody in the company interested in uh this sort of thing MH well that's great and so the final question is you you know you presented a bunch of high level activities which also do right which is policy which is strategy and very typically we have a lot of bureaucracy which emerges from sometimes right but like uh so as an engineer how do you keep it real how do you make sure that your organization is grounded in eventually open source code so uh with within uh Oso uh we have something we called um open source Champion basically it's a network of uh everyone interested in uh in open source who's willing to to do the work and who needs to do the work in uh in in their teams and those are people in interested and have a drive to work with open source and it's basically a network and a sort of a hub and spoke organizational topology where you know interested parties are there to basically learn from each other and have of course help from the core group which is which is Oso and you know so everybody's involved and that makes it all the the much easier for everybody to to actually work in the things that matter got it well thank you so much you know you inspire us to keep it real and uh we're going to learn from the ways you guys do at Vol thank you thank you much cheers