Pam and Kelley wonder where all the cowboys (and developers I guess) have gone

Guest conversation with host Pam Selle about developer relations and the changing landscape of developer communities, product-led growth, centering humans in technology, and ephemeral data. Note: the episode identifies the guest only as 'Kelley'; the developer-relations subject matter matches Robinson's Twilio DevRel role but the surname is not stated in the show notes.